Vowels and consonants shift as well. 2. The Vulcan words "Gad" for "day" and "ma'toi" for "death" are very close matches. An older example is the slavic word zivot. This could explain why Oh, an honest-to-goodness Vulcan capable of a mind-meld (which we've never seen a single Romulan do) is on the same side as the Zhat Vash. ), by one side or the other. The terms Tan Qalanq for the sword Elnor carries and Qalankhkai seem to make use of the new element Qalanq for that kind of sword, which isn't in the Vulcan dictionary AFAICS. Zhat Vash If "Zhat Vash" is a word for the dead, "the keepers of secrets", I'd argue in favor of the term meaning "The end of fear". Given the timeline from ENT this would mean that the Zhat Vash existed on Vulcan before the Romulan exodus. I’d add that the k > s in ket > seb is a pretty simple palatalization. 4. The Zhat Vash was the name of a secretive Romulan cabal that was introduced in the Star Trek: Picard pilot Remembrance. Here is a closer look at what we saw in the Romulans' Zhat Vash vision on Star Trek: Picard, with scene-by-scene screenshots and theories from Episode 8. A change from k in Ket- to s in Seb- and the final t- to b- seems a little awkward on its own, unless the original word was something like Cheth- or involved some other final consonant that changed from t- to b- at the same time that the k > s palatalization/assibiliation happened. The majority of the words on the several different Vulcan language websites never had screen time and were just made up by fans. To live is synonymous with being in constant fear. EDIT: From the discussion I was having with u/bubbly_cloy_n_happy, it turns out that Zhat Vash is described by Zhaban as synonymous with "the dead" rather than the living, and that makes sense in terms of death being the end of fear. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Take a look at that link yourself if you haven't done so and you'll see what I mean. She may be a secret Romulan, but I actually have another theory. Funnily enough, when I was thinking of your description of "ending fear and destruction on a personal level", the Vulcans came to mind. Qalankhkai for "sword bearer" features a change from Q to Kh for the last sound in the previous word. (PIC: "Maps and Legends"), Its sole purpose was claimed to be to keep a secret so profound and terrible that just learning it could break a person's mind. ...or something. "Gandmadan" , the apocalyptic "Day of Annihilation" event feared by the Zhat Vash, can be confirmed to mean "Day of death" in Vulcan. 5. Given the point of the meditation practice, I'm going to go with "Qlam wath" == "K'lehm-vet" == "By throw(ing away) doubt" as the meaning of this stage's name. (PIC episode: "Nepenthe") Although Oh presented herself as fully Vulcan, she was actually half-Romulan. Based on what I've read and what other redditors have pointed out, the creator to keep an eye on is Michael Chabon, who seems to be very proficient in languages, wordplay and deep secrets. It's very interesting just how many possible meanings "Zhat Vash" could have depending on context. "Zhal Makh" seems to have cognates in Vulcan "Shal" (self) and "Makh-" (glass, transparent material). First and most interesting, the Zhat Vash. There were a lot of complicated mysteries untangled in this episode. I also like the thought that they’re tying in Romulan-Vulcan connections into the story given Picard’s history with Unification. Posted on February 18, 2021 Author Leave a comment February 18, 2021 Author Leave a comment It’s why they are obsessed with the capture of Data’s daughters, Dahj and Sohji. 3. When she was a Tal Shiar recruit, Laris heard a drunk handler claim to her that the organization was motivated by hate, fear and pure unassuageable loathing for artificial intelligence, including androids, AIs, and other forms of synthetic life, which they attempted to seek out and destroy. They mentioned the Zhat Vash has been operating for thousands and thousands of years. We're learning about a secret, violent group that uses this as its name. I notice that there don't seem to be many starting "Ch-" (as in Cheese) sounds in Vulcan or Romulan, so maybe anything that started with Ch- turned into a K- in Vulcan and S- in Romulan? (PIC: "Maps and Legends"), Allegedly, the Zhat Vash operated without regard for treaty or jurisdiction, not just on Romulan worlds, but also in the Klingon Empire, the Gorn Hegemony, and even the United Federation of Planets. )-bonding/composed together of(?) Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. It might also refer to something that's already happened. Narissa (portrayed by Peyton List), a Romulan spy, a member of the Zhat Vash posing as Lieutenant Rizzo, a human operative of Starfleet Security, and Narek's sister. All of which are immensely creepy, and if the VLD is right about the meaning of "Shaht Vash"/"Shaht Vashaya", I think it's safe to say that the meaning of "Zhat Vash" is some variant of "The end of fear" or "The end of destruction". Very strong links, I was a bit hesitant about drawing upon older Vulcan words in your translation effort but stuff like Narek's cube lines up just too much to be a coincidence. Since this term does have Vulcan cognates, I'm going to suggest this : The Zhat Vash and their fear of the Seb-Cheneb isn't purely a Romulan thing because it is in fact so old that it predates the Vulcan-Romulan split. And although I buy "Cheleb" and "Cheneb" being related words, I have no idea how "Ket" and "Seb" are related phonetically, or whether "Ket-" in Vulcan is the same thing as "Seb-" in Romulan. In fact, the show hired a linguist, Trent Pehrson, to devise their Romulan. The Romulans' rejection of artificial life is a new wrinkle, and a deeply important one. Except for maybe how they might not be considering that maybe this destruction is the end of something bad like with Shiva or something, and is important for leading to a new beginning. We know that one Romulan agent was surgically modified to appear human while operating on Earth. It will be voted on next week, but you can vote for last week's nominations now. I imagine the memories are of a real event that is yet to happen: The apocalypse that occurs because of a conflict with the "synths". Depending on that, "Qezhtihn" could mean, roughly "Child of the devil" (a definite insult), or the salacious "By the devil's spear". One thing that's interesting about that work is that the unreliable "translator" claims not to fully understand the dialect of the main character, who in turn interacts with characters with varying levels of proficiency in dead languages... as a result, Terminus Est gets a bunch of different translations and interpretations, probably none of which are quite what an English-speaker would expect (e.g. According to Laris, it was thousands upon thousands of years old, and it supposedly predated the Tal Shiar, which she said functioned merely as a mask for the Zhat Vash. "Repository of females bonded together" - may be one more element at the end, not sure? I don't know whether "--tihn" is from "tenkan"(foetus), itself apparently derived from "ten"(less, less than-), or if it has any connection to "tilek" (spear). Any similarity to words in the show are likely a coincidence or possibly someone going in after these episodes aired to make similar sounding words. Could the Zhat Vash/Shaht Vash on Vulcan use the term "Gad-ma'toi" for this predicted apocalypse? Not sure what kai is, but "ka'i" in Vulcan is "here" in the sense of "I'm here", so Qalankhkai or "Freesword" as it is translated into English may have the literal meaning of "sword here" or "sword available" in Romulan. Surak's path of logic seems calculated to deal with just that, so perhaps the Vulcans are in a way, "Zhat Vash", and the Romulans refuse to admit it? (PIC: "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1", "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"). For a Romulan, being alive in a vicious surveillance society like theirs would be to be in constant state of fearfulness in which constant deception and vigilance is the only way to be alive. and the derived terms are just as ominous -, Vashau - destroy; to destroy completely; damage irreparably; to do away with, cause the destruction or undoing of; to defeat soundly, vashauk - destructive; causing destruction or much damage. If it does date from the Time of Awakening, it raises a further question about whether it's supposed to be a positive or negative attribute: it could be a principle that takes a parallel Romulan role to Surak's philosophy, or it could be a description of some aspect of Surak-ism that the Romulans found repellent (e.g. Surely "Fear of The End/Destruction" makes more sense than "The end of fear"? So here we are at episode two of The Search for Data. (PIC: "Broken Pieces"), The story of the "Zhat Vash" was sometimes told to frighten Tal Shiar recruits, with its alleged motives known to very few; Zhaban was largely skeptical of their existence and equated it to stories of "boogeymen". You're right that it's a very simple palatalization; one of the key differences between the Satem and Centum branches of the huge Indo-European language family lies in precisely that shift! "Vash" is translated as " terror; intense, overpowering fear; one that instills intense fear" (yikes!) "Analyze six-sided window" for a puzzle box? We finally learn a whole lot more about the Zhat Vash, synthetic life, Soji's family, and Rios's tragic past in Star Trek: Picard's eighth episode, "Broken Pieces." The “Zhat Vash” are so secret that even the Tal Shiar consider them to be a myth and the meaning of the name is a Romulan term referring to the dead, “ the only reliable keepers of secrets,” but as we find out this week they are very real, and apparently driven by a fanatical hatred of all synthetic life forms and artificial intelligence, explaining why Romulan technological development is so inconsistent in terms of … If Vash is emphasising the destructive element, it might also refer to how the destruction of one side by the other must be (or, is expected to be) absolute; the end requires destructive interaction, the organization rejects compromise and dialogue in its founding principle. Now, it is only my reading, but I would process it as something, in spirit, close to "resting in peace" after reading the meanings you found. They are believed to have been behind the attack on the Mars shipyard that led to Jean-Luc’s resignation and the ban of artificial life within the Federation. The creepiness filters in from our context. "Qlam wath" == very unclear, second element may be "to carry" Scratch that, I've found a solid potential match! and the derived terms are just as ominous -, Vashau - destroy; to destroy completely; damage irreparably; to do away with, cause the destruction or undoing of; to defeat soundly, vashauk - destructive; causing destruction or much damage, vashaya- destruction; termination by an act of destruction; an event (or the result of an event) that completely destroys something; a final state. For the benefit of those who don't understand what we're referring to : the Indo-European language family comprises dozens of major languages across India and Europe that are all related to each other. In a lot of places where they migrated to, the word retains the meaning life, whereas the meaning is starkly different in Russian; it is simply the stomach (the life meaning is archaic/poetic). After experiencing the memories of the utter devastation wrought by the synthetic "Destroyer", called Seb-Cheneb, contained within the Admonition, they dedicated themselves to eliminating synthetics so as to prevent another such event. I guess this is confirmation that whoever came up with the term "Vri glam" really did have older ST source material in mind, and more proof that these terms for the Romulan Language really are being carefully, consistently derived from existing Vulcan and Romulan terms in previous ST media. A stab at a much more literal meaning, using the parts I highlighted, might be "the end of the fear (of uncertainty? (Just an odd idea that occured to me that I wanted to toss out there). I’d say the linguist working on the new words for Romulan here has done their homework here and has a flair for historical linguistics to boot. I get the feeling that the term might be impossible for English like how schadenfreude translates only into many English words. They might even pre-date the Vulcan Romulan split or even be part of the reason for the split. Subsequent generations of Zhat Vash would also submit themselves to Admonition, so as to strengthen themselves for their task. Other terms we've seen over the course of the series seem to throw up close matches, although whether this is because there's a possible Vulcan equivalent/hidden belief or whether it's simply a function of the two languages having a common origin is open to speculation. Since "Making the self transparent" is a superb name for a meditation exercise that explores one's mind and reveals what one doesn't want to face, I'm going to check this off as a positive "yes". Vulcan was never developed as a language the way Klingon is. I suspect the Zhat Vash as they exist "today" aren't helping to achieve their founders' goals quite as well as they might think. She’s mastered the Vulcan mind meld, and uses it on Agnes. There are two possible Vulcan equivalents to "Lam" - "lam-", "to stand" or "to be upright" and "lehm", "to throw; to cast aside/away". "So all this is about the Zhat Vash hatred of androids." The Q fits with the Vulcan prefix K' - "by" or "with". It's a religious term and it also appears to be the name of either a planet or the star that Romulus orbits in the Vulcan language (and which has now gone supernova, making it one hell of a destroyer) but the etymology is a little suspect in the VLD: I haven't been able to figure out whether this term is accurate. The big thing in real-life is that it's a highly consistent sound shift that's pretty reliable in classifying the separation of the two branches. I found my first probable match under "S", in "Shaht". (PIC: "Maps and Legends"), The Zhat Vash were formed hundreds of years before the 24th century, when a group of Romulans investigating the mystery of the Eightfold Stars discovered the Admonition on the planet Aia. IIRC, the Zhat Vash are supposed to have existed for thousands of years. The second episode of Star Trek: Picard introduces the Zhat Vash, an ancient Romulan conspiracy dedicated to seeking out and destroying artificial life. It would fit if that were true. Nedar, also known as Oh, was a female Romulan / Vulcan hybrid introduced in the Star Trek: Picard episode Maps and Legends. "Svep-" aside, other hunting in the VLD didn't turn up much useful. A theory with etymology and cognates of conlangs? (Although the Vulcans would understandably never use false doors: that'd be illogical) If this derivation is correct, this averts the previous trend of Vulcan Sh- sounds turning into Zh- in Romulan words, although since all languages are irregular to some extent having the odd word or two that doesn't fit the pattern is pretty normal. NarissaOhRamdhaEight other Romulan females This would tie in well with an origin around the same time as the Vulcan Awakening, and perhaps link to however Romulan society sought to address the same problems at the same time. Nominated this post by Chief /u/RatsAreAdorable for you. "Lu Shiar" = literally "when confident/free from risk" - "Lu" (when) "Shar" (Secure, free from risk, confident) since Shiar(R) == Shar(V) from the names of the two intelligence agencies. "Shaipouin" in Romulan == "Shai-ip'an" in Vulcan. Intuitively, the k > s change didn't seem to fit from the words we'd seen. The synth—or at least Sutra and the ancient synth she seeks to contact—are the true villains. Regarding the corrupt Vulcan commodore working with the Romulans. The term "Zhat" didn't turn up, but I chose to look under "S", because going from voiced to unvoiced consonants, like from S to Z and back again, is a pretty common phenomenon in real-world languages. I haven't read The Book of the New Sun so I didn't quite catch the reference...but that's a fascinating analysis. That doesn't resonate very strongly with the heavy emphasis you place on it being creepy. (PIC: "Maps and Legends"), General Oh later led a warbird squadron to destroy the planet's population of synths, but encountered orchids and a fleet of Starfleet starships led by the USS Zheng He. The Zhat Vash are the boogeymen that even they fear. The conspiracy is that old, and the linguistics point that way too. Perhaps Zhat Vash is technically a "state" the early Romulans already achieved during some kind of Butleromulan Jihad, shortly after or during the sundering, leading to an elimination of synths and AI from their society, rather than a failure to develop them? What? But you're onto something with the meaning basically meaning "destroy the destroyer.". "Yut Makh" = "Way window" (direct equivalent in Vulcan), so closing your eyes is opening the way. It's pretty much given that there are many terms deliberately chosen to be in common between the two languages - TNG writer Naren Shankar coined the term "Tal Shiar" for the Romulan Intelligence Agency to reflect the Vulcan killing technique of Tal'Shaya, and the Vulcan Intelligence Agency's name turns out to be V'Shar, which isn't very far off either, to begin with. EDIT: Addedum - 1. "Shaipouin", or "false door" appears to mean "Self-curtain" or something similar, because the prefix "Shai-" in Vulcan means "self-"/"automatic-" and "pouin" appears to be related to "ip'an" meaning "curtain/blind/drapes for obscuring structure". From the looks of things it isn't just fanworks, it appears that there are several canonical or quasi-canonical stories that feature bits of a Vulcan language. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. You could also argue that because the ZV is super ancient it has to be related to Vulcan. In that context (and context is key here), "The ending of fear" therefore becomes synonymous with "The ending of life" - "Zhat Vash". On the other, smaller, hand, I like to keep in mind language is super finicky. "Pixmit" as in the cards is a hard one to find cognates for. The prefix "Ket-" in Vulcan appears to stand for "whole" or "integrity", and the Vulcan prefix "Svep-" means "door-" (Is the Seb-cheneb the "Door to destruction"?) A member of the Romulan secret Zhat Vash group, she took place in receiving the Admonition, which was apparently a warning from an ancient race regarding … Interestingly, if we approach our expression, RIP, from a contextless perspective, outside of the culture producing it, we might infer that that is an awful phrase because it can imply that the producing culture views the preceding life as tortuous or possibly without any peace. This could potentially be relevant to Zhat Vash if (the evolution of) Romulan grammar allows for the short, ambiguous name-phrase to similarly be short for multiple longer explanations. M-5, please nominate this excellent analysis. There are other linguists who are into Star Trek? Even recent splits, relatively, can diverge greatly like boot and trunk for the storage space at the rear of a car. It also pretty literally describes ZV's operations... New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the DaystromInstitute community. "Vri glam" == related to "vohris" (slow)/"kla-min" (fact) - slowly facing the fact? The reason there are two entries is that wiktionary is separating them by writing system (Cyrillic vs Latin script) and some languages use both! And all I have are questions, questions, and more questions. He's dealt with pre-Surak Vulcan culture too. The Zhat Vash were formed hundreds of years before the 24th century, when a group of Romulans investigating the mystery of the Eightfold Stars discovered the Admonition on the planet Aia. There’s a chance the writers are turning to fan made language I suppose, but seems a little unlikely. She was portrayed by Tamlyn Tomita, who had appeared as Laurel Takashima in the Babylon 5 pilot The Gathering. "Vash" exists in Vulcan and it's a doozy. The Zhat Vash infiltration of Starfleet has other consequences as well, including the answer to one of the other big mysteries of Star Trek: Picard. "Tan Zhekran" (Narek's puzzle box) - seems to be related to Vulcan "T'han-Sheh-Krani" - "T'han" to "analyze", "Sheh-" as a prefix for "six-" or "six-sided" and "Krani" from window. Active (2399), The Zhat Vash was an ancient and secret Romulan cabal of Tal Shiar operatives. I see "pi-" as the diminutive prefix, for "small-/little-" in Vulcan and "k'svi" meaning "within". Speaking of Seb-cheneb, I didn't find an exact match for the term but I found something eerily close! So in episode 2, Laris says the Zhat Vash had been around for thousands of years. I say this because Zhaban states in ep. In my defense, we're dealing with "conlangs" or constructed languages and those tend to be more regular than real-life languages because they are made by people rather than emerging on their own. On Vulcan, the teachings of Surak led the violent and emotional Vulcan people to a new age of logic and reason. In other words, the Zhat Vash Romulans in the late 24th century could have started to hate A.I. This could explain why Oh, an honest-to-goodness Vulcan capable of a mind-meld (which we've never seen a single Romulan do) is on the same side as the Zhat Vash. Given their obsession with hunting down "Seb-cheneb, the Destroyer", I'd say that they're aptly named! It works for the departed in Romulan society (if it has always be totalitarian and paranoia filled), and a "cool" name for your garage band assassin and spy service that is standing up against Ganmadan. (Do look at it in the link at the start of my post: it doesn't have a search function but with some patience the searching can be done). It was Picard who worked out how it worked and why it became useless after peace came to Vulcan. It was that event that the Federation came to believe that the Zhat Vash were likely behind the Attack on Mars and lifted the ban on creation of artificial lifeforms. The online Vulcan Language Dictionary (VLD) seems to offer interesting clues to the history of a number of the Romulan terms that we get to hear in ST: Picard (link below). Status: So rather than saying that it's unlikely that the writers are turning to fanmade language, I'd say that it's extremely likely based on what I've seen that a writer who is a huge fan himself is turning to fan sources to help craft a consistent, related Romulan language. Scratch this one too, it has a direct equivalent listed in the vulcan dictionary - v'ree'lat - VLD entry says " "searching/sorting"; to order one's thoughts and clear one's mind (Orion Press Lexicon) " This is one of the most direct connections there is, and if the source of the VLD entry is the Orion Press Lexicon, it means that the term has appeared in some Star Trek source material somewhere. The Vulcan word "E'shua" means "demon; devil; evil supernatural being", so that takes care of the "ezh" portion neatly. For those who aren’t up to date on the events of Picard season one, the Zhat Vash was a secret Romulan order, comprised of Tal Shiar insiders. "Rok khan" == Rok is hope, and khan is... either from "kan" (child) or "kharan" (shifter) - either "child of hope" or "shifter of hope" is the closest I get. Is Pixmit something like "Little thing within" or "small revelation"? The Zhat Vash exist within Vulcan as well, as the Shaht-Vash, and Commodore Oh is part of their Vulcan branch, having "reintegrated" with their Romulan cousins within the Tal Shiar. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Zhat_Vash?oldid=2654879. The sort of idiosyncratic evolution in meaning in Russian that caused "Zivot" to mean "stomach" rather than "life" is usually a quirk of natural languages (although I pull down my own argument by noting that an imaginative creator of artificial languages could introduce such quirks on purpose to give the "feeling" of a natural language). Or the disposition of his neurons, anyway. of death?)." 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